[zeromq-dev] decentralize git with pub/sub

Esa HekmatiZadeh esa.hekmat at gmail.com
Mon Jul 29 16:42:25 CEST 2019


Any effort, should be in the direction that increase the cost for censoring
and limiting access to resources. Iran government keep trying hard to
defeat TOR network, but I use it everyday. If free software communities
start to migrate from github, no matter where they are going but this
movement can effect the github itself and increase the risk of any
censoring or limitation in future.

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019, 17:25 Benjamin Henrion, <zoobab at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 10:40 PM Bernd Petrovitsch
> <bernd at petrovitsch.priv.at> wrote:
> >
> > On 28/07/2019 21:58, Benjamin Henrion wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 8:48 PM Esa HekmatiZadeh <esa.hekmat at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > [...]
> > >> https://savannah.nongnu.org/ is another option hosted by FSF
> foundation.
> > >
> > > Hosted in Fremont, CA, United States.
> > >
> > > As long as the US has jurisdiction, you are lost.
> >
> > Everyone just follow the geopolitical quarrels of the past months
> > (years?!) in the Persian Gulf/Strait of Hormuz and everything should be
> > pretty clear - if you like it or not ...
> >
> > > I was looking for friendly countries that do not have trade sanctions
> > > with Iran, it seems the US with all its allies (probably in the sense
> > > of NATO) have trade sanctions with Iran.
> >
> > Well, the US (as such;-) - at least the current administration - tries
> > to force every other country to follow the US' sanctions against Iran
> > (without offering anything in return BTW). Keeping international
> > contracts is since 3 years obviously also not on the to-do list ...
> >
> > > Nat Friedman, CEO of Github, seems to say that moving to another
> > > country does not matter, as if a foreign company does business with US
> > > businesses but also Iranian businesses, it is a target of those US
> > > sanctions.
> >
> > Basically you need to have servers in a country which is pretty robust
> > against political pressure from US (which limits the list very much[1])
> > and the ISP shouldn't have any assets in the US (and that makes it not
> > easier;-).
> >
> > > What we have to do is to implement cyberspace, where law makers don't
> > > have a say. That might be utopic, but the bricks are getting there.
> >
> > By definition, there is no place on Earth where no law exists (though it
> > - falsely - feels sometimes that way and though some folks - falsely -
> > claim that over e.g. the Internet).
> > But law folks seem to be clueless (or incompetent?;-) enough on "how to
> > implement" their national law in conjunction with international law/law
> > of nations in - more or less - global "infrastructure" with (quite)
> > heterogeneous national laws[0] - be it the bank/money business, the
> > oil/gas business or the Internet ...
>
> Any law maker can can any harmful legislation, but if this legislation
> cannot be enforced, the law is meaningless.
>
> Law enforcement agencies have already a hard time with TOR (which can
> be defeated with traffic analysis or DDOSes), but you would build a
> Github like system on top of Freenet.
>
> I guess lots of people are looking in this direction, decentralisation
> seems to be the simplest option to start with, but it is ultimately
> technically censorable in some countries and not in others.
>
> --
> Benjamin Henrion (zoobab)
> Email: zoobab at gmail.com
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> "In July 2005, after several failed attempts to legalise software
> patents in Europe, the patent establishment changed its strategy.
> Instead of explicitly seeking to sanction the patentability of
> software, they are now seeking to create a central European patent
> court, which would establish and enforce patentability rules in their
> favor, without any possibility of correction by competing courts or
> democratically elected legislators."
>
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