[zeromq-dev] CZMQ community & red cards

[rf at q-leap.de]

>>>>> "Pieter" == Pieter Hintjens <ph at imatix.com> writes:

    Pieter> Making this thread about my use of the Merge button is
    Pieter> astounding.  Commenting on my public tweets is then fairly
    Pieter> predictable. You are doing everything you can to make this
    Pieter> about me, rather than about your employee and his below the
    Pieter> line performance.

    Pieter> Your argument, if I understand it correctly, is that your
    Pieter> employee may send half-finished patches to our master
    Pieter> branch, whereupon the "community" or "maintainers" are
    Pieter> responsible for style checking, integration testing, massive
    Pieter> rewriting, and so on.

    Pieter> If the maintainers merge unfinished code, they are "bad". If
    Pieter> they complain, they receive massive argument in return (this
    Pieter> is what happened on multiple occasions).

    Pieter> You pay the person who is damaging our ecosystem. Thus I
    Pieter> hold you responsible for wasting days, perhaps a full week
    Pieter> of my time.

    Pieter> Now, I consider my time precious. It is certainly not yours
    Pieter> (directly or via your staff) to abuse and waste. We work
    Pieter> hard to make this software. It is free to share and
    Pieter> fork. That does not make us your proxy staff. Sending
    Pieter> unfinished patches to our project and then demanding we
    Pieter> finish the work for you is abusive and unacceptable.

    Pieter> I did work with mrvn for several weeks to try to explain to
    Pieter> him how to work. You will see my comments are patient and
    Pieter> constructive. He responded with argument, and changed
    Pieter> nothing in his style.

Well, the examples you provided in
http://lists.zeromq.org/pipermail/zeromq-dev/2014-October/027547.html,
when I asked for references, didn't really confirm what you write here.

    Pieter> The ban was inevitable. Your follow up comments are
    Pieter> predictable. This thread is over, for me.

Shame (#1), you didn't address any of the points I brought up in 
http://lists.zeromq.org/pipermail/zeromq-dev/2014-October/027573.html
Your comments above are basically irrelevant to that. At least when you
initiate such a discussion tell others from the beginning, that you only
take into account what fits into your view of the story.

Shame (#2) that good software must come with such a bitter aftertaste.

Since you have shown that you're not interested in a serious discussion
within this thread, it is closed for me now too.

To all, who are just interested in technical discussions here:
Sorry to "spam" you with my messages, but some things just had to be
put into perspective.

Roland

    Pieter> I will now tweet this thread.

    Pieter> -Pieter

    Pieter> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:46 PM, <rf at q-leap.de> wrote:
    >> Pieter,
    >>
    >> just read your tweet:
    >>
    >> -------------------------- Dear diary. Banned mrvn from ZeroMQ
    >> today. Added "how to detect and ban bad actors" to C4.1. It's
    >> rainy. The cats are playing.  --------------------------
    >>
    >> I must say, that this is one of the most distasteful things, I
    >> have seen in a long time. You've really gone way to far
    >> here. Bragging about this in even larger public on Twitter, as if
    >> it was a heroic action. I'm incredibly disappointed and sad about
    >> such behavior.
    >>
    >> If any respect for others was left from your side, you'd write an
    >> apology on Twitter!
    >>
    >> Roland
    >>
    >> PS: I'm ready to be banned now as well ...