[zeromq-dev] CZMQ community & red cards

Thomas Rodgers rodgert at twrodgers.com
Fri Oct 17 19:08:50 CEST 2014

In reading all of this, I'm of a mixed mind.

Clearly there needs to be some means by which a person who's consistently a
pain in the ass for all of the wrong reasons (history of poor quality
commits, consistently more trouble of than their worth, etc.), and telling
such an individual to go away is likely never going to be completely clear
cut or easy.

Some in this thread have pointed to Linus, his stance on commit quality,
etc. Personally, I agree with being hard-assed about *individual commits*
having a precise summary of what they do, and that such commits be small,
focused, etc. Ideally, pull requests should follow suit, that said, GitHub
allows pull requests to lump together multiple commits, and it's incumbent
on whoever is merging such a request to review *all* of the commits in the
request. Maybe you could quibble over whether the submitter should have
changed the default title assigned from the most recent commit, but it
doesn't excuse you from the responsibility of fully reviewing all commits.
>From my reading of this whole affair, it seems that mrvn specifically did
not do this, and then complained about it, as opposed, to saying "yep, my
bad", maybe he shouldn't have commit privs, then.

OTOH, Linus has a well established history of being a jackass with respect
to comments on contributors work products.  He has also recently reflected
on the mistakes in community building he's made, chief among them being
overly antagonistic towards contributors. Comments along the lines of 'I
don't even want to read the code, it looks like vomit', while tame by
Linus' standards, are still, IMO, fairly toxic however the rest of Pieter's
comment is completely sufficient to convey what was necessary...clean it up
and try again.

Taken on balance, I personally don't see enough in what was offered as
reasoning for the 'red card' to rise to the level of outright banning mrvn,
but I do see at least a couple of lessons on what not to do going forward.

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Bjorn Reese <breese at mail1.stofanet.dk>

> On 10/17/2014 01:16 AM, Pieter Hintjens wrote:
> > **You are as of now banned from this list, from CZMQ and all other
> > projects I'm a founder of.**
> I suggest that you defer such a decision for a couple of days. Reading
> the links you posted as an objective outsider, I am utterly surprised
> by your reaction. The links look like normal development discussions.
> You have the privilege to reject contributions. There is no need to do
> a public ad hominem.
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