[zeromq-dev] How do we activate and connect to WiFi hotspots in edgenets?

crocket crockabiscuit at gmail.com
Thu Jan 9 14:13:46 CET 2014


Can manual assistance be effective in case of anonymous/pseudonomous
broadcast used in async message apps?
On Jan 9, 2014 3:05 PM, "Pieter Hintjens" <ph at imatix.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:32 AM, crocket <crockabiscuit at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Until there comes the edgenet mailing list, we can talk about it here.
>
> Sure.
>
> > By manual assistance, do you mean people turn on hotspots and connect to
> > them manually on site?
>
> Ideally, from within applications, e.g. inviting someone into your
> document would switch on a hotspot and display a PIN. Other people
> could then "Search for invitations" (scan for matching SSIDs) and
> enter the PIN to join.
>
>
>
> >
> > Is there any better manual method than I described above?
> >
> > On Jan 9, 2014 8:28 AM, "Pieter Hintjens" <ph at imatix.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> (a) I think we need to start an edgenet mailing list, as this is both
> >> such an interesting discussion, and yet so different from what people
> >> are expecting here
> >>
> >> (b) wifidirect is a "not quite mesh" 1-to-1 link and in fact very
> >> close to what I was thinking of with edgenet in the beginning. There's
> >> not a lot of choice, if you don't have 802.11s mesh working in the
> >> firmware, which few devices have.
> >>
> >> (c) you don't need root access to enable AP mode on most phones afaik.
> >> Not Android, anyhow (the API isn't documented but you can dig it out.)
> >>
> >> (d) we tried, and failed (in a previous closed project) to create and
> >> discover cells automatically. Best approach seems to be manual
> >> assistance.
> >>
> >> -Pieter
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Arnaud Loonstra <arnaud at sphaero.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > On 01/08/2014 03:46 PM, Bruno D. Rodrigues wrote:
> >> >> I don’t know too many details about FON, but we have an ISP in
> Portugal
> >> >> that provides FON over all their clients (if they accept) and as soon
> >> >> as
> >> >> I connect to one FON hotstpot, the device automatically connects to
> any
> >> >> other. No idea if it’s just because it’s the same name, or if there
> is
> >> >> any other value that is forced to be the same, but somehow it is
> >> >> possible.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Jan 8, 2014, at 12:03, crocket <crockabiscuit at gmail.com
> >> >> <mailto:crockabiscuit at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> People may be able to devise an algorithm for automatically turning
> on
> >> >>> hotspots in several smartphones among many.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> But, even with hotspots turned on, how do phones connect to each
> other
> >> >>> if smartphones simply refuse to connect to randomly named hotspots?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Should we forcefully rename hotspots to a predetermined name(e.g.,
> >> >>> "edgenet") and agree to connect to hotspots named "edgenet"?
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >> > You could follow a roaming setup. Setup an hotspot with any name and
> >> > make sure it is setup for roaming. Usually the authentication is done
> >> > using radius. Which would be very easy to implement as radius is very
> >> > simple protocol. Even just MAC authentication would suffice but you
> >> > could go on into EAP/TTLS or PEAP setups.
> >> >
> >> > To setup an hotspot on a phone you'll probably need root access.
> >> >
> >> > WifiDirect would be better but I don't any devices that support it. It
> >> > will probably be stopped by vendors ;) Just like PTT.
> >> >
> >> > Rg,
> >> >
> >> > Arnaud
> >> >
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