[zeromq-dev] How do we activate and connect to WiFi hotspots in edgenets?

Pieter Hintjens ph at imatix.com
Thu Jan 9 07:05:10 CET 2014


On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:32 AM, crocket <crockabiscuit at gmail.com> wrote:

> Until there comes the edgenet mailing list, we can talk about it here.

Sure.

> By manual assistance, do you mean people turn on hotspots and connect to
> them manually on site?

Ideally, from within applications, e.g. inviting someone into your
document would switch on a hotspot and display a PIN. Other people
could then "Search for invitations" (scan for matching SSIDs) and
enter the PIN to join.



>
> Is there any better manual method than I described above?
>
> On Jan 9, 2014 8:28 AM, "Pieter Hintjens" <ph at imatix.com> wrote:
>>
>> (a) I think we need to start an edgenet mailing list, as this is both
>> such an interesting discussion, and yet so different from what people
>> are expecting here
>>
>> (b) wifidirect is a "not quite mesh" 1-to-1 link and in fact very
>> close to what I was thinking of with edgenet in the beginning. There's
>> not a lot of choice, if you don't have 802.11s mesh working in the
>> firmware, which few devices have.
>>
>> (c) you don't need root access to enable AP mode on most phones afaik.
>> Not Android, anyhow (the API isn't documented but you can dig it out.)
>>
>> (d) we tried, and failed (in a previous closed project) to create and
>> discover cells automatically. Best approach seems to be manual
>> assistance.
>>
>> -Pieter
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Arnaud Loonstra <arnaud at sphaero.org>
>> wrote:
>> > On 01/08/2014 03:46 PM, Bruno D. Rodrigues wrote:
>> >> I don’t know too many details about FON, but we have an ISP in Portugal
>> >> that provides FON over all their clients (if they accept) and as soon
>> >> as
>> >> I connect to one FON hotstpot, the device automatically connects to any
>> >> other. No idea if it’s just because it’s the same name, or if there is
>> >> any other value that is forced to be the same, but somehow it is
>> >> possible.
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 8, 2014, at 12:03, crocket <crockabiscuit at gmail.com
>> >> <mailto:crockabiscuit at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> People may be able to devise an algorithm for automatically turning on
>> >>> hotspots in several smartphones among many.
>> >>>
>> >>> But, even with hotspots turned on, how do phones connect to each other
>> >>> if smartphones simply refuse to connect to randomly named hotspots?
>> >>>
>> >>> Should we forcefully rename hotspots to a predetermined name(e.g.,
>> >>> "edgenet") and agree to connect to hotspots named "edgenet"?
>> >>>
>> >
>> > You could follow a roaming setup. Setup an hotspot with any name and
>> > make sure it is setup for roaming. Usually the authentication is done
>> > using radius. Which would be very easy to implement as radius is very
>> > simple protocol. Even just MAC authentication would suffice but you
>> > could go on into EAP/TTLS or PEAP setups.
>> >
>> > To setup an hotspot on a phone you'll probably need root access.
>> >
>> > WifiDirect would be better but I don't any devices that support it. It
>> > will probably be stopped by vendors ;) Just like PTT.
>> >
>> > Rg,
>> >
>> > Arnaud
>> >
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