[zeromq-dev] Dev Process

john skaller skaller at users.sourceforge.net
Sat Feb 4 10:25:46 CET 2012

On 04/02/2012, at 6:40 PM, Martin Lucina wrote:

> skaller at users.sourceforge.net said:
>>> Under Martin Sustrik's lead, we had a mediocre community, and a great
>>> product.
>>> Under Pieter Hintjens' lead, we have a great community, but are rapidly
>>> progressing towards a mediocre product.
>> Can you point to issues in the actual source and documentation that
>> explain that view in more detail?
> Yes, but doing so would continue this war of words, and I have
> no wish to do that, now that I understand the positions of the players
> involved.

I cannot speak for others but I do not agree: critiquing code and docs is
quite different from a dispute about policy.  I feel free to slam code,
designs, and docs, no matter who wrote them .. including my own.
Er .. especially my own.

And welcome any such critique .. criticism is good science.
Critical thinking is what it is about.

The good thing with the policy is that I can be challenged to "put up or
shut up" ... if can actually fix things I don't like.

> The cards have been dealt, Pieter Hintjens has shown his hand and Martin
> Sustrik has folded. I can't win this round, and attempting to do so will
> just look silly.

Don't try to win, it's not about winning. There is always politics but this
is about software :) Politics matters of course. But you can *use* the policy:
you're free to patch anything you like!

> The beer part would be fun if I was coming to the Portland conference, but
> schedule- and geography-wise I can't fit it in :-(

It's a long trip in my yacht from Australia. Just email me the beer :)

> You're absolutely right.

That's unusual .. can I have that in writing, so I can frame it?

> For the record: I will continue to submit patches in accordance with the
> established process, but I will refrain from being drawn into revert-wars
> of "best patch wins";

Have there been any revert wars yet?

Actually one thing this new policy really needs is the email hook.
It's hard to get into a revert war if you can't see the enemies' patches .. :)

john skaller
skaller at users.sourceforge.net

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