[zeromq-dev] Dev Process

john skaller skaller at users.sourceforge.net
Sat Feb 4 05:35:33 CET 2012

On 04/02/2012, at 12:43 PM, Martin Lucina wrote:
> In my humble but correct opinion:

IMHBCO .. I'll have to remember tat one :)

> Under Martin Sustrik's lead, we had a mediocre community, and a great
> product.
> Under Pieter Hintjens' lead, we have a great community, but are rapidly
> progressing towards a mediocre product.

Can you point to issues in the actual source and documentation that
explain that view in more detail?

I'm too new here to have a view, but I think that as we're in Pieter's
"contribution" phase for 3.1,  and are yet to get up to the "rigorous
testing" phase intended to stabilise the product .. well you don't
seem to be giving Pieter's model a chance.

I worked on a product which used a formal process with intense discussion
of many alternatives and supposedly rigorous analysis, experiment,
and rejection of many things before they made it into "the source".
The result .. well it seems a bit suboptimal, despite the intense vetting
and selection and guidance of a Benevolent Dictator.
[Er .. yes .. I'm talking about C++]

Let me also say that for my own product I have gone through a cycle where
the rule was "add everything, including several kitchen sinks".

Then there was the "if in doubt, chuck it out" culling phase
that followed.

In between, the feature clutter was very useful because it provided
concrete use cases from which to attempt to form abstractions.

john skaller
skaller at users.sourceforge.net

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