[zeromq-dev] C++ assertion failed with Java client

[AJ Lewis]

On Fri, Feb 03, 2012 at 05:16:06PM +0000, Christian Martinez wrote:
> First, I have to make a disclaimer that everything I'm about to say is
> my opinion only and does not reflect any official MSFT position.

Heh - I guess I should put that disclaimer on my posts too - this is my
opinion and doesn't reflect any official QTM position.

> Personally I love the give and take and don't feel threatened or upset
> by any of the shenanigans. I find them a natural part of the OSS
> process. Before I joined the monolith I used to work exclusively in
> the OSS world using things like ACE/TAO, MICO, every Java framework
> imaginable etc... There was never a shortage of interesting
> discussions/rants.  
> 
> What I've observed is that every one of the projects that were
> successful had a benevolent dictator and a few hard core contributors.
> As long as that basic infrastructure is there and passion remains then
> I feel comfortable telling as many folks as possible to check out 0MQ.
> We've embraced Node and Hadoop very publicly as a company and work
> deeply with those projects. I'd love it if someday we can do that with
> 0MQ as well. 

Definitely - just concerned that this model continues.  Some of the talk
about taking all patches blindly and waiting for other contributers to
revert them makes me nervous.  Are the original maintainers still going
to consider themselves contributors, or are they expecting other
community members to pick that up?  Is there a core vision?  I'm not
sure who the benevolent dictator is in this project ATM, which may just
mean I haven't been paying enough attention. I'm definitely more
comfortable with the gatekeeper model that the linux kernel employs -
where there are core maintainers that vet patches before they're
committed to the main repo.  I don't want to reopen that discussion - I
know there's concerns about that model for historical reasons. I just
need to watch what happens and get my head wrapped around it.

> If you're concerned with stability take a branch/build, stick to that
> and maybe pick up a support contract especially if you're restricted
> to binary only... 

Yep, I can do that.  I can fork the project if it goes in a direction
that doesn't continue to work for what I'm doing with it too if I have
too, but I *really* don't want to do that.  There's lots of really smart
people that have worked to get zmq to where it is today - I just hope
they continue to steer it a bit and don't give up the rudder completely.

This is an amazing project!  I'm excited to see where it's going, and
will contribute where I can.  I'll do my best to keep up with the
changes and voice my opinion/contribute patches where I'm able, but
we're currently using 2.1.X, so it's hard to be very active on the
libzmq branch.

> Well that's enough pontificating ....I'll go back to hacking the
> broken Node binding now (It breaks under Node's move to libuv
> ...nothing really to do with 0MQ which I'm barred from hacking
> directly :(   ) 

:D

> -----Original Message-----
> From: zeromq-dev-bounces at lists.zeromq.org [mailto:zeromq-dev-bounces at lists.zeromq.org] On Behalf Of AJ Lewis
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:35 AM
> To: ZeroMQ development list
> Subject: Re: [zeromq-dev] C++ assertion failed with Java client
> 
> On Fri, Feb 03, 2012 at 12:40:03PM +0100, Martin Lucina wrote:
> > ph at imatix.com said:
> > > So, in summary, let's cut the philosophy and focus on targeted
> > > *minimal* patches to solve identified problems.
> > 
> > +1, although "minimal" is a matter of opinion.
> > 
> > Pieter, with all due respect, it's a shame that this community is 
> > turning into one driven by personal ideology rather than a meritocracy 
> > based on quality *technical* contributions. That was not what I signed 
> > up for when I started contributing to this project.
> > 
> > Maybe you could also tone down the ideology a couple of points?
> 
> What you're not taking into account with your "meritocracy" idea is all the quiet users of this library that *aren't* contributing patches, but rely on the functionality of the library for their work.  If we're going to tip zmq on it's head because a couple very vocal contributors decide they don't like the way things have been working, it makes me very concerned about continuing to use this project.
> 
> Is this something that I can rely on, or will it turn into an open source project that bounces all over the place depending on the whims of the contributor of the week?  I want people to contribute - I'm very happy that my fixes for various platforms have been accepted without issue - but I am concerned that project could be hijacked by someone that has a very specific use case for it and doesn't understand the history and philosophy of the proejct and what its current users are doing with it.
> 
> /me goes back to lurking...
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> Quantum Corporation
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